so what image did i grow up with as the rallying point for civilization, creativity and order?
I grew up in the 60s! i DIDN'T see order in the human world! i saw chaos! i saw a history of nations, kings, ceos, police, millitary leaders, assassins.. producing chaos. to me, human government lead to Hiroshima and Silent Spring.
where did i see order? In self sustaining fishtanks, if i scooped up enough of an ecosystem from a pond and dumped it into a fishtank, it would sustain itself, feed itself in sunlight, clean itself! order by the subtle interactions of dozens of critters!